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		<title>By: Ciena Detonates the Market &#124; Nyquist Capital</title>
		<link>http://www.nyquistcapital.com/2008/06/03/internet-traffic-growth-doesnt-matter/#comment-1718</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciena Detonates the Market &#124; Nyquist Capital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have argued (see “Internet Traffic Growth Doesn’t Matter”) that this ‘boom’ is a marketing invention of sell-side analysts, politicos, and companies [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FAC</title>
		<link>http://www.nyquistcapital.com/2008/06/03/internet-traffic-growth-doesnt-matter/#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>FAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if to emphasize some of my earlier points, O posted the following to NANOG last year after a discussion with Andrew Odlyzko on the Cook Report list:

from: http://tinyurl.com/6e4lov

Subject: Re: Measurement data on transit traffic in IP routers?
Group:	Nanog
From:	Frank Coluccio
Date:	19 Feb 2007

&gt;Your statement makes something of a presumption
&gt;as to the architecture of a network. In many
&gt;networks, edge aggregation devices do not
&gt;participate in backbone routing, but simply
&gt;pass the traffic they are aggregating into the core.

My first reaction, as well. However, I was reminded
by Andrew Odlyzko that the cable tv industry&#039;s (MSOs&#039;)
peering universe constitute a form of flattened &#039;edge&#039;,
if one were to consider the larger Internet&#039;s core
against the MSO community, which makes for another
form of interesting analysis, since much of today&#039;s
(especially more capacious) residential &quot;broadband&quot;
flows begin and end on MSOs&#039; networks, and sometimes
never touch the larger core, fwiw. And this opens the
door to other forms of &quot;walled garden&quot; environments,
including intranets, some providers&#039; CDNs, extranets,
and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if to emphasize some of my earlier points, O posted the following to NANOG last year after a discussion with Andrew Odlyzko on the Cook Report list:</p>
<p>from: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6e4lov" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6e4lov</a></p>
<p>Subject: Re: Measurement data on transit traffic in IP routers?<br />
Group:	Nanog<br />
From:	Frank Coluccio<br />
Date:	19 Feb 2007</p>
<p>&gt;Your statement makes something of a presumption<br />
&gt;as to the architecture of a network. In many<br />
&gt;networks, edge aggregation devices do not<br />
&gt;participate in backbone routing, but simply<br />
&gt;pass the traffic they are aggregating into the core.</p>
<p>My first reaction, as well. However, I was reminded<br />
by Andrew Odlyzko that the cable tv industry&#8217;s (MSOs&#8217;)<br />
peering universe constitute a form of flattened &#8216;edge&#8217;,<br />
if one were to consider the larger Internet&#8217;s core<br />
against the MSO community, which makes for another<br />
form of interesting analysis, since much of today&#8217;s<br />
(especially more capacious) residential &#8220;broadband&#8221;<br />
flows begin and end on MSOs&#8217; networks, and sometimes<br />
never touch the larger core, fwiw. And this opens the<br />
door to other forms of &#8220;walled garden&#8221; environments,<br />
including intranets, some providers&#8217; CDNs, extranets,<br />
and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: FAC</title>
		<link>http://www.nyquistcapital.com/2008/06/03/internet-traffic-growth-doesnt-matter/#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator>FAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew,

First off, great post. Thanks. Your last sentence opens the door to a great deal of speculation, if not debate, as well: &quot;And it is very difficult to see how Internet Video (not IPTV, that is different) ...&quot;

Tell this to the bean counters whose interests are enhanced by claiming otherwise. Consider this softball question, for  example: Is a telepresence session carried over an enterprise VPN tunnel considered Internet traffic? How does the answer to this question play with the part of the session that s carried over the enterprise&#039;s dark-fiber network or dedicated private lines.

In counting the total number of Internet bits carried, do we now need to resort to performing bitrate-mile breakdown analysis in order to delineate what&#039;s on-Net and what&#039;s not? And whose &quot;on-net&quot; traffic is it, anyway? Add enterprise campus-area and metro-area to the dark fiber classification above, wherever they have replaced an ISP&#039;s or carrier&#039;s metro-edge facilities -- which previously included up-and-down hierarchical routing while still &quot;on&quot; the Internet.

The point here being, without a Divine Authority to provide a detailed taxonomy of Internet complete with qualifying criteria, it&#039;s difficult, if not impossible, to arrive at a consensus as to what is and what is not &quot;Internet&quot; in many respects.

Ever since the mid-nineties we&#039;ve seen a migration of legacy traffic formats onto an &quot;Internet&quot; whose parameters have changed in lockstep with the meaning of the term &quot;ISP&quot;, which has changed, since the johnny-come-latelies have all tended to be the &#039;incumbents&#039; telcos and cablecos of yore who are now enfranchised in a new domain by virtue of changing from ATM to quasi-all IP. And just as they&#039;ve displaced the mom-and-pops&#039; role in Internet, so tpp have their traffic loads (PSTN-VoIP, IPTV, VPN, etc.) changed the texture and volume of Internet traffic to a very large degree.

These migrations have in large part been seen as &quot;incremental growth&quot; on the Internet, ignoring entirely the displacement effect I just mentioned above, which has actually taken place, i.e., the shift as opposed to absolute increase in total global bandwidth consumption.

Consider, for example, a service territory that is converted from HFC video to IPTV. All else being equal, given the conversion factors one must consider from &quot;500 channel broadcast mode&quot; GHz-miles to &quot;single-channel switched mode&quot; Mbps-miles when changing from analog to digital, has the conversion had the overall effect of increasing or decreasing traffic (no matter, whether Internet related, or otherwise)? Consider the various means by which backhaul is achieved by some LM providers prior to answering that last question, especially as relates to entities smaller than the Tier Ones who are also providing video in the last mile.

Much of this is viewed as &quot;off-Internet&quot;, to be sure, although it&#039;s all IP (in name, at least) and ported around the metro and edge networks in various latter-day incarnations of Layer 2 transport encapsulating Layer 3, while using the same routers, the same switches, with much of the latter gear mounted in the same racks in the same meet-me locations.

I agree with the distinction you make when you note &quot;that is different&quot;. However, one might ask, &quot;what is &#039;not&#039; different, or exactly what, today, constitutes &#039;Internet Traffic&#039;&quot;?

Lest I be misunderstood, I&#039;m not disputing that overall traffic growth in all of its diverse forms is actually taking place. Instead, I&#039;m simply pointing out the folly we often find ourselves engaged in when attempting to quantify it, never mind prove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>First off, great post. Thanks. Your last sentence opens the door to a great deal of speculation, if not debate, as well: &#8220;And it is very difficult to see how Internet Video (not IPTV, that is different) &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Tell this to the bean counters whose interests are enhanced by claiming otherwise. Consider this softball question, for  example: Is a telepresence session carried over an enterprise VPN tunnel considered Internet traffic? How does the answer to this question play with the part of the session that s carried over the enterprise&#8217;s dark-fiber network or dedicated private lines.</p>
<p>In counting the total number of Internet bits carried, do we now need to resort to performing bitrate-mile breakdown analysis in order to delineate what&#8217;s on-Net and what&#8217;s not? And whose &#8220;on-net&#8221; traffic is it, anyway? Add enterprise campus-area and metro-area to the dark fiber classification above, wherever they have replaced an ISP&#8217;s or carrier&#8217;s metro-edge facilities &#8212; which previously included up-and-down hierarchical routing while still &#8220;on&#8221; the Internet.</p>
<p>The point here being, without a Divine Authority to provide a detailed taxonomy of Internet complete with qualifying criteria, it&#8217;s difficult, if not impossible, to arrive at a consensus as to what is and what is not &#8220;Internet&#8221; in many respects.</p>
<p>Ever since the mid-nineties we&#8217;ve seen a migration of legacy traffic formats onto an &#8220;Internet&#8221; whose parameters have changed in lockstep with the meaning of the term &#8220;ISP&#8221;, which has changed, since the johnny-come-latelies have all tended to be the &#8216;incumbents&#8217; telcos and cablecos of yore who are now enfranchised in a new domain by virtue of changing from ATM to quasi-all IP. And just as they&#8217;ve displaced the mom-and-pops&#8217; role in Internet, so tpp have their traffic loads (PSTN-VoIP, IPTV, VPN, etc.) changed the texture and volume of Internet traffic to a very large degree.</p>
<p>These migrations have in large part been seen as &#8220;incremental growth&#8221; on the Internet, ignoring entirely the displacement effect I just mentioned above, which has actually taken place, i.e., the shift as opposed to absolute increase in total global bandwidth consumption.</p>
<p>Consider, for example, a service territory that is converted from HFC video to IPTV. All else being equal, given the conversion factors one must consider from &#8220;500 channel broadcast mode&#8221; GHz-miles to &#8220;single-channel switched mode&#8221; Mbps-miles when changing from analog to digital, has the conversion had the overall effect of increasing or decreasing traffic (no matter, whether Internet related, or otherwise)? Consider the various means by which backhaul is achieved by some LM providers prior to answering that last question, especially as relates to entities smaller than the Tier Ones who are also providing video in the last mile.</p>
<p>Much of this is viewed as &#8220;off-Internet&#8221;, to be sure, although it&#8217;s all IP (in name, at least) and ported around the metro and edge networks in various latter-day incarnations of Layer 2 transport encapsulating Layer 3, while using the same routers, the same switches, with much of the latter gear mounted in the same racks in the same meet-me locations.</p>
<p>I agree with the distinction you make when you note &#8220;that is different&#8221;. However, one might ask, &#8220;what is &#8216;not&#8217; different, or exactly what, today, constitutes &#8216;Internet Traffic&#8217;&#8221;?</p>
<p>Lest I be misunderstood, I&#8217;m not disputing that overall traffic growth in all of its diverse forms is actually taking place. Instead, I&#8217;m simply pointing out the folly we often find ourselves engaged in when attempting to quantify it, never mind prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: thinking sysadmin &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reading List, 6/4/2008</title>
		<link>http://www.nyquistcapital.com/2008/06/03/internet-traffic-growth-doesnt-matter/#comment-1716</link>
		<dc:creator>thinking sysadmin &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reading List, 6/4/2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Internet Traffic Growth Doesn’t Matter - A look at Internet bandwidth consumption that sounds quite level-headed to me. A few great quotes, some of them excerpted from a presentation by Andrew Odlyzko: “Internet traffic growth rates are slowing. Hype is accelerating.” &#8220;Telecom is the only industry that worries about it’s [sic] customers using too much product.&#8221; &#8220;Volume is not value. SMS messages consume almost no bandwidth but bill out at $1000/Mb.&#8221; &#8220;Traffic growth simply doesn’t matter. Period. What matters is revenue.&#8221; And best of all: &#8220;Most people think they are special but in realty [sic] just want to watch &#8216;American Idol&#8217;.&#8221; (Seen at Data Center Knowledge.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Internet Traffic Growth Doesn’t Matter &#8211; A look at Internet bandwidth consumption that sounds quite level-headed to me. A few great quotes, some of them excerpted from a presentation by Andrew Odlyzko: “Internet traffic growth rates are slowing. Hype is accelerating.” &#8220;Telecom is the only industry that worries about it’s [sic] customers using too much product.&#8221; &#8220;Volume is not value. SMS messages consume almost no bandwidth but bill out at $1000/Mb.&#8221; &#8220;Traffic growth simply doesn’t matter. Period. What matters is revenue.&#8221; And best of all: &#8220;Most people think they are special but in realty [sic] just want to watch &#8216;American Idol&#8217;.&#8221; (Seen at Data Center Knowledge.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.nyquistcapital.com/2008/06/03/internet-traffic-growth-doesnt-matter/#comment-1714</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from UBS/John Hodulik&#039;s note today
IP bandwidth pricing continues to tumble

Cogent announced yesterday it had changed its pricing structure for IP transit to other service providers and introduced volume discounts for its &quot;net-centric&quot; customers. The company has long advertised its $10/Mbps standard pricing for bandwidth. Customers signing one-year ($9/Mbps) and two-year ($8/Mbps) contracts could avail of discounts off the sticker price. Last month, the company began offering its carrier customers a price of $7/Mbps when signing a 3-year contract. The more dramatic pricing change comes for &quot;net-centric&quot; (Content providers) customers. Mgmt began offering volume discounts on a sliding scale starting from commitments ranging from 100 MB/month with the lowest price of $4/Mbps for customers commiting to 10 GB connection and signing a 3-year contract. Management believes this pricing will stimulate growth of internet video.

Cogent has long been the price leader in the industry offering $10/Mbps for bandwidth compared to average industry pricing of $30/Mbps. CEO Dave Schaeffer suggests the company is taking significant market share as IP traffic on its backbone has grown at a 5-year CAGR of 140% compared to overall internet growth of 75% annually. However, last year growth on Cogent&#039;s network slowed considerably to 75%. Mgmt suggested this is due to a slowdown in overall internet traffic growth to 57% in 2007. Cogent suggested internet traffic growth continues to slow as sequential traffic growth slowed by 700 bps in 1Q08 (from 14% to 7%). We note this contradicts Level 3&#039;s assertion that overall IP traffic continues to grow in the 80-85% range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from UBS/John Hodulik&#8217;s note today<br />
IP bandwidth pricing continues to tumble</p>
<p>Cogent announced yesterday it had changed its pricing structure for IP transit to other service providers and introduced volume discounts for its &#8220;net-centric&#8221; customers. The company has long advertised its $10/Mbps standard pricing for bandwidth. Customers signing one-year ($9/Mbps) and two-year ($8/Mbps) contracts could avail of discounts off the sticker price. Last month, the company began offering its carrier customers a price of $7/Mbps when signing a 3-year contract. The more dramatic pricing change comes for &#8220;net-centric&#8221; (Content providers) customers. Mgmt began offering volume discounts on a sliding scale starting from commitments ranging from 100 MB/month with the lowest price of $4/Mbps for customers commiting to 10 GB connection and signing a 3-year contract. Management believes this pricing will stimulate growth of internet video.</p>
<p>Cogent has long been the price leader in the industry offering $10/Mbps for bandwidth compared to average industry pricing of $30/Mbps. CEO Dave Schaeffer suggests the company is taking significant market share as IP traffic on its backbone has grown at a 5-year CAGR of 140% compared to overall internet growth of 75% annually. However, last year growth on Cogent&#8217;s network slowed considerably to 75%. Mgmt suggested this is due to a slowdown in overall internet traffic growth to 57% in 2007. Cogent suggested internet traffic growth continues to slow as sequential traffic growth slowed by 700 bps in 1Q08 (from 14% to 7%). We note this contradicts Level 3&#8217;s assertion that overall IP traffic continues to grow in the 80-85% range.</p>
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		<title>By: Link &#124; Internet Traffic Growth Doesn&#8217;t Matter &#124; Nyquist Capital &#171; Iain&#8217;s Chips &#38; Tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link &#124; Internet Traffic Growth Doesn&#8217;t Matter &#124; Nyquist Capital &#171; Iain&#8217;s Chips &#38; Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#124; Internet Traffic Growth Doesn&#8217;t Matter &#124; Nyquist&#160;Capital  Internet Traffic Growth Doesn&#8217;t Matter &#124; Nyquist Capital: It&#8217;s great to read a lengthy post from Andrew again  (Includes link to Andrew Odlyzko [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DG Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>DG Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the game-changer in video will be user-generated content.  Not a bunch of guys filming reality shows in their backyards, but the &quot;send to grandma&quot; home videos.

If I put a picture up on Flickr or a Picasa web album, and someone looks at it, they&#039;re maybe consuming 5kb/s - 50kb/s (depending on how long they look at it).

If I put a video up on YouTube and someone looks at it, they&#039;re consuming about 325kb/s - one to two orders of magnitude more.

But with a $1000 HD camcorder, I can generate HD video, and grandma doesn&#039;t want to see crappy YouTube-quality videos, she wants to see every freckle on the grandkids&#039; faces.  So an HD-quality video-sharing application will be consuming maybe 8-16 Mb/s - another one to two orders of magnitude.  (Sure, AT&amp;T will say that they can compress HD down to 6.5 Mb/s, but that&#039;s with $100k professional-grade MPEG-4 encoders, not the encoders in a typical consumer-grade camcorder.)

It&#039;s very easy to generate immense quantities of video that a very few people will want to watch.  If a user can share an HD video with a few people just as easily as they can share a dozen pictures today, the bandwidth requirement goes up by three orders of magnitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the game-changer in video will be user-generated content.  Not a bunch of guys filming reality shows in their backyards, but the &#8220;send to grandma&#8221; home videos.</p>
<p>If I put a picture up on Flickr or a Picasa web album, and someone looks at it, they&#8217;re maybe consuming 5kb/s &#8211; 50kb/s (depending on how long they look at it).</p>
<p>If I put a video up on YouTube and someone looks at it, they&#8217;re consuming about 325kb/s &#8211; one to two orders of magnitude more.</p>
<p>But with a $1000 HD camcorder, I can generate HD video, and grandma doesn&#8217;t want to see crappy YouTube-quality videos, she wants to see every freckle on the grandkids&#8217; faces.  So an HD-quality video-sharing application will be consuming maybe 8-16 Mb/s &#8211; another one to two orders of magnitude.  (Sure, AT&amp;T will say that they can compress HD down to 6.5 Mb/s, but that&#8217;s with $100k professional-grade MPEG-4 encoders, not the encoders in a typical consumer-grade camcorder.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very easy to generate immense quantities of video that a very few people will want to watch.  If a user can share an HD video with a few people just as easily as they can share a dozen pictures today, the bandwidth requirement goes up by three orders of magnitude.</p>
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